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I can't see Bailey being human, so I'm going with Joel back to King. I also happen to want that, but no bias here...nope.colliefan wrote:A great strip, although I did see that coming.
There was no way Pete would be kind enough to leave King as a dog once he no longer needed him.
I can see two possible outcomes, Bailey is changed into a human so her and Joel can be happy together, or Joel is changed back into King.
Technicalities. Her intent was clear and Pete knows what her intent was because that's how she got her powers. Pete's just being a jerk and a rules lawyer.Xane wrote:Again, I don't see anywhere where Pete actually promised Bailey anything. The whole "and have your wishes granted" thing when she transformed was probably for dramatics (I'm surprised he didn't have a pack of coyotes chanting faux Latin in the background), she signed the contract without asking a thing. He threatened to turn King back into a human. He never said that he wouldn't if she became his avatar, she just ran in and signed it.
I don't Bailey-ve you.Argent wrote:Technicalities. Her intent was clear and Pete knows what her intent was because that's how she got her powers. Pete's just being a jerk and a rules lawyer.Xane wrote:Again, I don't see anywhere where Pete actually promised Bailey anything. The whole "and have your wishes granted" thing when she transformed was probably for dramatics (I'm surprised he didn't have a pack of coyotes chanting faux Latin in the background), she signed the contract without asking a thing. He threatened to turn King back into a human. He never said that he wouldn't if she became his avatar, she just ran in and signed it.
And, guys, the "Jo... king" schtick has been going around for five years, almost exactly.
I think that's probably rushing things a bit. I'm personally hoping for a bit more conversation and development. But then, I have to admit, Rick's proven time and again that he knows best one way or another, so I guess we'll see!valerio wrote:last prediction for tomorrow's comic.
Joel escorted by security out of the house, throwing a last, sad and resigned look to Fox, while off panel we 'hear' Joel asking Fox to go to Sabrina for help, that whatever happens to himself, it's Bailey that needs help now...
If it came down to that, I would think he would be put in a mortal body as punishment for something, or as a wager if he lost the Cosmic Game.PIERULEZ wrote:oh no, if pete becomes king then Bailey might start kis.... AAHHH MY EYES ... IT BURNS IT BURNS !!!!!!!!copper wrote:You know, I was thinking. What if Pete loses the game and becomes the new King? He has to inhabit King's body and be Joel's pet...
I actuallt mention that theory too earlier. An issue with it though, as i was told is that if Pete is given an adult body he can still be a threat to King and Bailey, maybe bot as a marauding gryphon but he could physically harm them good if possible. And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.Kitch wrote:If it came down to that, I would think he would be put in a mortal body as punishment for something, or as a wager if he lost the Cosmic Game.PIERULEZ wrote:oh no, if pete becomes king then Bailey might start kis.... AAHHH MY EYES ... IT BURNS IT BURNS !!!!!!!!copper wrote:You know, I was thinking. What if Pete loses the game and becomes the new King? He has to inhabit King's body and be Joel's pet...
In that case, I would think Pete would be put in Joel's body, and King would get to be a dog permanently.
Thought about it, but then if I took it, someone would take the one I currently have.Argent wrote:I can't believe nobody's taken the last frame for an avatar yet.
I do believe Joel would do anything for Bailey, but I see no reason why he'd go and make himself known to the authorities. That, to me, just sounds like giving up because he can't do anything to help if he gets himself locked away. His crime was mainly against Fox, and from the look of it, they're resolving it.valerio wrote:last prediction for tomorrow's comic.
Joel escorted by security out of the house, throwing a last, sad and resigned look to Fox, while off panel we 'hear' Joel asking Fox to go to Sabrina for help, that whatever happens to himself, it's Bailey that needs help now...
Correction, a mortal body, not necessarily a human one. And as you said, a complete lifetime. That's why many of us have thought about him becoming one of Bailey and King's offspring.ConvoyWolf wrote:And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
He said in the 6th panel here a mortal body for a full lifetime. He didn't say anything about the mortal body being human.ConvoyWolf wrote:I actuallt mention that theory too earlier. An issue with it though, as i was told is that if Pete is given an adult body he can still be a threat to King and Bailey, maybe bot as a marauding gryphon but he could physically harm them good if possible. And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
Leomon2004 wrote:He said in the 6th panel here a mortal body for a full lifetime. He didn't say anything about the mortal body being human.ConvoyWolf wrote:I actuallt mention that theory too earlier. An issue with it though, as i was told is that if Pete is given an adult body he can still be a threat to King and Bailey, maybe bot as a marauding gryphon but he could physically harm them good if possible. And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
Pete could easily choose an insect and spend just a few days in his mortal prison!Leomon2004 wrote:He said in the 6th panel here a mortal body for a full lifetime. He didn't say anything about the mortal body being human.ConvoyWolf wrote:I actuallt mention that theory too earlier. An issue with it though, as i was told is that if Pete is given an adult body he can still be a threat to King and Bailey, maybe bot as a marauding gryphon but he could physically harm them good if possible. And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
As a Mayfly maybe... It will be quick then.Discostew wrote:Correction, a mortal body, not necessarily a human one. And as you said, a complete lifetime. That's why many of us have thought about him becoming one of Bailey and King's offspring.ConvoyWolf wrote:And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
valerio wrote:Pete could easily choose an insect and spend just a few days in his mortal prison!Leomon2004 wrote:He said in the 6th panel here a mortal body for a full lifetime. He didn't say anything about the mortal body being human.ConvoyWolf wrote:I actuallt mention that theory too earlier. An issue with it though, as i was told is that if Pete is given an adult body he can still be a threat to King and Bailey, maybe bot as a marauding gryphon but he could physically harm them good if possible. And remember the loser of the game, according to Pete himself has to be in a human body for a complete lifetime.
This is why I believe that the loser doesn't get to choose what mortal life to live, because if they could, they'd choose a short-lived being that finishes shortly after starting. Plus, because it is to be a full lifetime, I would think the loser can't commit suicide or request death while in their mortal body.Render wrote:As a Mayfly maybe... It will be quick then.
he cant just run , if they found the empty room with inside the smell and fingerprints of Joel and no clue about King and Baley is the last thing our hero need and nobody in that situation can belive his story.Discostew wrote:This just sort of popped into my mind as another reason that Fox is to believe that Joel is King. His prison clothes. Yes, they've already been mentioned, but I have a different perspective to point out. This is what Joel wore years ago prior to being turned into King, and the authorities believed that Joel escaped. Had he actually escaped, then he certainly wouldn't be wearing those clothes anymore, let alone having them still in such good condition.
And let's be honest, Joel wanted to prove that he was King to Fox, and revealing himself and accepting the consequences, like the literal beating-the-carp out of him, goes a long way of proving that imo.
His criminal history, not bad attitude, kept Joel out of other organizations. Let's not revise history to paint the man a hero.Xane wrote:Joel may have been (more than) a bit of a jerk himself in the past but I don't think he was ever evil. He got caught up with a bad group he didn't really pay enough attention to when he joined. It was the other guy who tried to kill Fox and Joel had no idea he was going to do it.
His bad attitude got him banned from the saner animal rescue organizations so he wound up with people crazier than he was. Assisting in a petnapping was pretty bad, yeah, but I don't believe he ever wanted to hurt any pets. He was starting to feel bad about doing it but didn't really get a chance to change things before they were caught.
But isn't that on the basis that King was a minion to Pete? Is there still a deal between them? Has there ever been a deal? Is he even a minion anymore now that he's back to being a human? I thought it was ok by the rules that Pete could take King in because he was a dog at that moment, no matter the past history (and the game only allows animals), but "now" that he's human, doesn't that free him from any obligations to Pete? From my point of view, Joel could be changed back to King by Dragon and be her minion/avatar/etc instead, and if Joel felt that this was his way of "saving" Bailey, I'm pretty sure he'd gladly do it.Xane wrote:Because Tarot usually refuses to help King unless it appears to benefit her.SmileWolf wrote:Why are some stating that Joel couldn't get help from Tarot and Sabrina because they are Dragon's avatar and follower? Joel is no longer indebted to Pete anymore, he is a free agent, and he can work with whoever he wants to get Bailey back and defeat Pete. And I would think, if the duel is with Dragon's avatar, the one person you'd want to persuade not to hurt Bailey would be Dragon's avatar, Tarot. At least he could "gather intelligence" from them to see what is going on and figure out a solution.
Sabrina is somewhat more sympathetic but has still said she can't interfere. Also I doubt they would have helped King with the watch if it didn't hinder Pete somehow.
Kitsune told Dragon she couldn't change King back into a human. Not "you cannot interact with King at all, must leave him in the dark at every turn, except when it advances your goals." Whether or not King is "allowed" to work with them, he hasn't really been given any indication that they care about him, which is why he's taken to slamming the door instead.
So basically Joel/King is an NPC in the Game?diss wrote:Joel/King was never Pete's minion. You may, instead, be thinking of Keene Milton. The Great Kitsune forbade Spirit Dragon turning King back into Joel on the basis that he was a third party to their game.
OutFOXed!Ryusuta wrote:I don't Bailey-ve you.Argent wrote:Technicalities. Her intent was clear and Pete knows what her intent was because that's how she got her powers. Pete's just being a jerk and a rules lawyer.Xane wrote:Again, I don't see anywhere where Pete actually promised Bailey anything. The whole "and have your wishes granted" thing when she transformed was probably for dramatics (I'm surprised he didn't have a pack of coyotes chanting faux Latin in the background), she signed the contract without asking a thing. He threatened to turn King back into a human. He never said that he wouldn't if she became his avatar, she just ran in and signed it.
And, guys, the "Jo... king" schtick has been going around for five years, almost exactly.
But if the game only involves animals, then he can't be in the game, not even 3rd-party. He got thrown into the game the moment he turned into a dog, but was not part of it before as a human, so my understanding is that humans cannot be a valid part of the game as they are.Obbl wrote:3rd-party implies he's not a part of either side. Now that he's a human, I would assume that makes him even more 3rd-party to their game.
I'm pretty sure that defines Joel. He's not one of the primary players. He's been relegated to the position of a bystander. He may still be able to do something to affect the game, but he's not a direct part of if as far as the actual game mechanics are concerned.Wiktionary wrote:Third Party
2. someone only incidentally or tangentially connected to an incident or dispute; someone other than the principals; a bystander or independent witness.
Pretty Swag.Silvermane wrote:
My botched attempt to create an edit of King which has aspects of Bailey and Pete in it to try and give form to the image of puppy Pete in my head. I say botched because it started to basically look like a blue Fox ><
So anyway for those who wondered what Pete may look like as a dog, this is one possibility
I like it. Now imagine him like that as a puppy with stubby legs and big floppy ears.Silvermane wrote:
My botched attempt to create an edit of King which has aspects of Bailey and Pete in it to try and give form to the image of puppy Pete in my head. I say botched because it started to basically look like a blue Fox ><
So anyway for those who wondered what Pete may look like as a dog, this is one possibility
I like it!Silvermane wrote:
My botched attempt to create an edit of King which has aspects of Bailey and Pete in it to try and give form to the image of puppy Pete in my head. I say botched because it started to basically look like a blue Fox ><
So anyway for those who wondered what Pete may look like as a dog, this is one possibility
If you look closely there is a line connecting the panels. Which probably means the order is how they're connected.Hedronal wrote:I can't really tell what order panels 5-8 are supposed to go in.
Hah, I looked at that from top, left, right, bottom, rather than the intended order. The smack following the punch makes more sense.Leomon2004 wrote:If you look closely there is a line connecting the panels. Which probably means the order is how they're connected.Hedronal wrote:I can't really tell what order panels 5-8 are supposed to go in.
HAN SHOT FIRST!diss wrote:His criminal history, not bad attitude, kept Joel out of other organizations. Let's not revise history to paint the man a hero.
It might just be the angle of his head.WhoElseButQuagmire wrote:Is it me, or is Joel's ear just slightly pointed and dare I say it....corgi-like... in the panel where he's hugging Fox as opposed to the panel above it? It may just be an error in drawing, but I like to think its a nice subliminal sign by Rick of Joel's inner-King.