OOC: Radients Vineyard.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:20 pm

I feel like i'm forgetting something...

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:41 pm

How long left in the film?

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:06 am

Hey. I just noticed that Eira's starting to sound... Mary Sue-ish with the reveal that she also has a lot of money to get her started here. Just pointing out though that this particular part of her character was arrived to through fridge logic. Superhumans could potentially be in extremely high demand in the private sector. A person with super speed and strength could make a fortune single-handedly building bridges and skyscrapers. A superhero organization needs to offer competitive pay to get such uniquely skilled people, as well as to keep them out of the private sector because a single super might displace hundreds of jobs for ordinary people. The money for this comes from the trading missions the Guardians' mother-ship goes on. Interstellar trade, once you make interstellar travel efficient, could be extremely profitable. Imagine a planet orbiting a high carbon star. This planet has an overabundance of diamonds in it's crust. Diamonds are worthless on this planet, however fertile soil would be worth it's weight in gold. You can make a fortune selling the dirt of one planet to another one, which is often what the merchants on the ship do.

Ok, background rant over.

Eira's put out enough exposition. Any further questions or descriptions of the universe she's from, I will put here and not have Eira explain it, unless it is personally relevant to her.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:48 pm

JLU (DCAU Version) deconstructed that back in the 90s. Most of them don't do what your suggesting partially because of identity issues, and partially because a half dozen people doing an entire country's worth of work would irreparably crash the economy, and their would-be employers know that, so demand isn't there.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:44 pm

I didn't know that. Anyway, in a world of supers it makes more sense that people with powers would be given financial incentive to not do that sort of thing. In a more realistic setting of people with powers (so not realistic at all

) not everyone with powers would be a hero or a villain at their own will. Without being one of those, they wouldn't need to hide their identities and many probably would not think of the overall good of the economy when a giant business offers them hundreds of thousands of dollars to build a new office building in a week.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:00 pm

it's also equally likely that that incentive comes in the form of social pressure. Unions refusing to accept supers unless their pay and workload is equal to their normal peers. Discrimination suits over hiring decisions preferring supers over normals, or over supers getting paid more than normals. Companies realizing the economic damage of under employment and deliberately under-utilizing or not hiring supers for the same reason nobody has gone to full automation yet IRL, even though several industries easily could have: Nobody getting payed means no customers. Companies hiring supers, but at above average contractor rates, rather than exorbitant rates, because when the bottom line is profit, why would they spend more than they have to? Why not see how low the ones who don't realize or understand their value will go and hire them instead? Just to name a few examples.

no example of which involves major monetary gain for the empowered individuals.

besides, your system could easily generate MASSIVE political and social blowback against those organising it, the super community, or both. Because it basically amounts to a protection racket: supers are being paid off not to collapse job markets and economies. even if it isn't entirely true (which is debatable), there would always be those who would claim it is, those who argue it's unnececary or enabling fiscal irresponsibility, those would exploit it and use it as such, and those who are just too lazy to care and go 'Free money! Gimmie!', just like there is with EVERY monetary support/incentive system today.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:33 pm

You raise some good points. Though there are a number of issues with some of these arguments that I can't really go into here because it goes into current politics.

To keep things simple, I will say the main reason the Guardians are paid so much is that they need to be able to purchase their equipment, pay for damaged property, pay off people they can't hide their identities from, equipment repairs, travel costs, and a bunch of other expenses that would surely occur. This is all kind of stuff that comes up. It's easier to explain why people put up with the property damage in particular if the person who broke it pays for it to be replaced plus compensation. Also, if interstellar travel could be done cheaply, as I mentioned before the ship's trade between planets would generate quite the revenue and anyone directly payed by the ship would probably feel that prosperity anyway. The ship's janitorial team would probably make as much as doctors on earth.

We get into a lot of nerdy arguments don't we?

Edit: I edited my last post because it didn't really change anything and I basically said the exact same thing here. I removed it to get rid of some exposition and make it sound less like Eira was bragging because that is not her character. I want to make her likable but All she's done so far is explain things.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:29 pm

Welsh Halfwit wrote:How long left in the film?

we're around the half way point, and a good 30 min ahead of the other half of the party because i would have hoped they would have driving around as a time sink to equalize things by now... helping that along was the half the reason i had both characters ditch the party...

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:18 pm

Crazy how sometimes nothing really goes as planned.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:33 pm

Hey, so can we move the plot along? I was trying to prompt something earlier by asking what we were doing, but then more questions and exposition happened and more showing off powers and i'm just worried that it's bogging down the plot. The insignificant mention of Cthulhu seemed to bog things down for half a page. Now I'm a little worried that Eira's shifting will distract things more, and I don't want that to happen.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:15 am

this rarely has a coherent plot, and tends more to be 'thing happened, react to it' so what you're perceiving as things getting bogged down, is how things normally operate in here.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:24 am

Buster wrote:this rarely has a coherent plot, and tends more to be 'thing happened, react to it' so what you're perceiving as things getting bogged down, is how things normally operate in here.

Although we do, occasionally, try to put things back on track.

Neon Icy Wings · Post by **Neon Icy Wings** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:40 pm

I'll have Tony arrive in a few posts, so as to speed things along slightly.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:52 pm

Ok. Thanks for the explanation. I was worried that Eira was holding things up, but I'm glad things are moving along now.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:24 pm

Hotep? Hello? still waiting for clarification...

Hotep the psychic · Post by **Hotep the psychic** » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:03 am

sorry buster will post shortly

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:02 pm

kinda have a mental image of an attempt to empty The Pocket resulting in the entire inventory and back-catalog of a Late 80s/Early 90s radioshack in a pile on the lawn and still steadily growing while somebody grumbles that they cant even see the bottom yet.

Also, is the pen a thing that causes doom, that is doomed, or that is vaguely connected to ID Software's flagship series?

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:28 pm

Who am I missing?
Amanda, Kaylee, Socks, Noah, Rig, Sandy, Eira. Holly kinda counts but not really because she doesn't actually take up space. Aside from the drivers.

Neon Icy Wings · Post by **Neon Icy Wings** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:39 pm

Depends if the paint duo are there, really.

Post by **Hlaoroo** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:54 pm

Yeah, Yensid and Retlaw are there. But they're the only ones you've missed.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:12 pm

Pour them into pots and carry them.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:04 am

I actually think Eira is a little bit taller/bigger than Rig. Not by much, but I wanted there to be as little size difference between her human form and wolf form as possible to make the non-magical nature of her transformation a little more plausible. Though Rig is probably bulkier.

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:41 pm

Pretty sure we're waiting on Welsh and Roo to introduce themselves, I think.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:43 pm

I was under the impression Welsh was waiting for Roo with Kaylee, and Me with Jake, could be wrong though.

Post by **Hlaoroo** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:10 pm

Yep, sorry guys. I'll post when I get back from work.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:16 pm

okay, i know my last post was kind half-baked, but i didn't think it was bad enough to kill the thread.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:18 pm

Roo's computer is still freaking out. Most things are going to go slow until it gets fixed.

Buster · Post by **Buster** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:20 pm

You havent figured out how to spot when i'm trying to be funny yet, have you?

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:31 pm

Buster wrote:You havent figured out how to spot when i'm trying to be funny yet, have you?

Is it when your grammar takes a dive?

What was even wrong with his computer?

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:48 pm

Some wiring/cabling needed replacing. And they ordered in and it's taking its sweet time.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:57 pm

He got it back, but he got it back as broken as when he sent it. He needs to try somewhere else.

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:03 pm

Some wiring/cabling? Unless it was an actual board, why didn't he just do it himself?

Post by **CyberDragon** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:57 pm

I don't know. If you have Telegram or Discord you could ask him yourself.

In fact, do you guys have Telegram or Discord? If so, I'd love to talk sometime. Just a side thought.

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 pm

I have Discord but I don't do voice chat on it.

Welsh Halfwit · Post by **Welsh Halfwit** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:46 pm

Deske wrote:I have Discord but I don't do voice chat on it.

I have Skype. I only use the text message facility.

Post by **Hlaoroo** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:29 am

Yeah, sorry guys.
They replaced the broken cable but the computer is still crashing every half hour or so so I don't know what's happening. I'm going to try a different repair shop because I'm sick of this one.

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:00 pm

I'm pretty sure that in the HPU setting, farm animals are about as sentient as they are in the real world but I could be wrong. Also we did have chicken legs at one point.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:11 pm

Eira hasn't eaten since she got there. Granted, she can't eat anything from there until she test that there are no biological barriers, but being from the BoH universe, she definitely can't eat anything from the animals of the HPU. Nothing from sentient creatures. Cattle is ambiguous, but chickens are definitely sentient.

Deske · Post by **Deske** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:38 pm

Definitely delicious.

Post by **CyberDragon** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:36 pm

Chicken is definitely delicious, but as long as it's a sentient chicken, Eira can't eat it. It's considered cannibalism where she's from and it's hard to be seen as a hero when the residents of a planet are afraid you are going to eat them.

Anyway, I wanted to say that Eira probably won't stay for too long. I want to play a couple days here, but eventually I'd like to move her to BoH. I won't leave the RP, I'll have another character by then to replace her here, but eventually I'd like to move Eira back home. Mostly because I like the character and would like to move her to a more active RP, but given her current story having her be on a vacation for less than a day would be kind of weird.