Collaborative Artistic Improvement Thread

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:03 pm

Alright this is a fairly basic thread in theory... those who need help in a particular area of their art, post a question and a tutorial will be found, linked, or made specifically for you! All the basic rules from other topics apply, let's keep this squeaky clean so it can benefit others guys.

Tutorials can be posted on any subject, figures, weapons, scenery, or anything else... Let's get rolling!

(EDIT!) Okay so I'm noticing that some artists like to talk over their art too. It helps them to understand more than a tutorial can teach from one page. So I'm thinking maybe we should also collaboratively talk about art too! So if you have something to discuss DON"T HESITATE to bring it up!

NickCole · Post by **NickCole** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:10 pm

I was asked a LONG time ago about how I draw my furries so here's my first (and probably useless) tutorial on how. |D

Though, I have changed my techniques, which I MAY have to redo the tutorial. o 3o

theblackcateyes · Post by **theblackcateyes** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:13 pm

cool, a tutorial!!! a need some classes *sit in the chair, and start practice*

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:42 pm

I could use a tutorial on how to draw relativly simple, but good looking, eyes.

jopencjusz · Post by **jopencjusz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:16 pm

Yeah, tutorial

I'll look here often, maybe I'll learn something

But as I know myself, I'll still doing everything different then it should be do and my own technique

For example I've never did my fursona (or any other drawing) using this rule with circle and cross though I know about it. I'm just doing it my own way

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:48 pm

Every artist has their own technique for arriving at the finished product so it's okay not to implement the tutorials to the exact degree but rather try each style and see which one works for you and then maybe develop a hybrid approach or invent your own work style.

I'll do an eye tutorial for you Chance! Do you want realistic, cartoon, hybird, or (D) all of the above.

Kyderra · Post by **Kyderra** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:59 pm

how to use layers to shade:
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2 ... ecrath.jpg

another shading tutorial
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/ ... ecrath.jpg

a Video of time frame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l65vffyoS-0

jopencjusz · Post by **jopencjusz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:59 pm

Right now I'm doing everything in one style which is based on Housepets style. I need to try other styles, but I think that I'm not bad at this style of course considering my skill level

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:08 pm

Well when I said style I didn't mean art style... sorry for the confusion. I meant your method or process. It's not important to mimic styles or develop your own when you're learning to draw, rather it's more important to work out the way you work instead. Some go from gestures to blocked figures to base-line skeletons to flesh modeling to scribble lay outs... So if you don't do the circle with crosshairs it's okay, just do what works for you, but trying different methods for arriving at the final drawing will help to understand how you work best. I used to do preliminary anime mannequins, but now I rely on basic circle rib cages and lines for arms instead of cylinders... it's all up to you. There is no right answer to art.

I'm working on a tutorial for the eye, but just cause I'm doing it doesn't mean we can't post multiple tutorials on the same subject. If anyone else has a tutorial on eyes feel free to post one even if I'm doing one too.

jopencjusz · Post by **jopencjusz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:16 pm

Box O Lions wrote:Well when I said style I didn't mean art style... sorry for the confusion. I meant your method or process. It's not important to mimic styles or develop your own when you're learning to draw, rather it's more important to work out the way you work instead. Some go from gestures to blocked figures to base-line skeletons to flesh modeling to scribble lay outs... So if you don't do the circle with crosshairs it's okay, just do what works for you, but trying different methods for arriving at the final drawing will help to understand how you work best. I used to do preliminary anime mannequins, but now I rely on basic circle rib cages and lines for arms instead of cylinders... it's all up to you. There is no right answer to art.

I'm working on a tutorial for the eye, but just cause I'm doing it doesn't mean we can't post multiple tutorials on the same subject. If anyone else has a tutorial on eyes feel free to post one even if I'm doing one too.

Ow, ok, I get it

I'll try for sure a different techniques

I just realized one thing when I started thinking about how I'm drawing - I'm doing a lot of changes and corrects on the first sketch and I'm doing everything until it looks good for me. I'm not a type of "visualizer" but in this case I'm for sure.

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:55 pm

Alright Chance I hope this helps some... I will be doing another page on eyes but this is what I came up with in the past 30 min. ;3

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:00 pm

Box O Lions wrote:Alright Chance I hope this helps some... I will be doing another page on eyes but this is what I came up with in the past 30 min. ;3

It was very helpful.

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:13 pm

Okay here's a follow up to the above tutorial.

I've realized that the way I learned to draw wasn't step-by-step, but instead I learned why things looked a certain way and what I could do to represent them so my tutorials I'll be posting won't necessarily be step by step unless upon direct request for such. But I do think that if you understand things about how drawings work it will be easier to practice rather than trying to learn and practice drawing at the same time. I've heard a good many people reference that they do lots of drawings but never get any better and I will have to note that this is most likely because it isn't effective for practice unless you are mentally improving or know why some drawings look better than others. That is what I hope to contribute as well.

jopencjusz · Post by **jopencjusz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:46 pm

I hope I won't be one of this people about what you wrote Box

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:05 pm

jopencjusz wrote:I hope I won't be one of this people about what you wrote Box

You aren't one, and even if you were, it's not a bad thing. I'm here to help anyone and everyone with their art. What's the point of being a good artist if I don't help others fulfill the same dream that I have... and that dream is, To be able to draw the things from our minds. It's man's earliest ambition to express himself. We do it with words, pencils, and body language. We are all artists and as men of integrity it is our duty to help others to express themselves in every way possible... I just went overboard for sure but it's a pep talk for improvement.

jopencjusz · Post by **jopencjusz** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:09 pm

You're right, everything begins with inspiration and desire to express himself

Regular Bird · Post by **Regular Bird** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:03 pm

Nice idea on this thread, I hope it gets even better. Because I'm interested in learning how to draw better.

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:21 pm

Regular Bird wrote:Nice idea on this thread, I hope it gets even better. Because I'm interested in learning how to draw better.

Post something you need help with and it will be handed down to you on a silver plate.

Regular Bird · Post by **Regular Bird** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:40 pm

Box O Lions wrote:
Regular Bird wrote:Nice idea on this thread, I hope it gets even better. Because I'm interested in learning how to draw better.
Post something you need help with and it will be handed down to you on a silver plate.

When I get the time, I will, its more around hands and feet that I need help with. I've got it down but I might need some extra help.

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:49 pm

Lots of people have trouble with those. I'll make something tomorrow that might help you.

Alright I have a challenge for anyone who really feels like doing some searching or wants to help me tremendously... leather! Anyone have a tut on it? I'll post an attempt I had at it. I think it's adequate but if you guys have any pointers please DON"T HESITATE to tell me something for improvement!

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:55 pm

For the person who needed just a little more help with hands I'm sorry it took me this long to make this one. I forgot about it until just about 30 min. ago. Hope it helps. ;3

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:29 pm

So, pixel art. I tried it. It kicked my butt. Are there any tips for it that can make it less frustrating?

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:34 pm

Hmm... what program are you using?

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:36 pm

try using paint

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:39 pm

shadowhaz wrote:try using paint

Yup! Shadow does great pixel art!

Alternatively I was thinking that you could set the pixels per inch extremely low on a canvas in GIMP or Photoshop... that may or may not work. I'll look up a few ways to do it and report back from google. When I come back I'll just edit this post to avoid double posting.

Be right back.

Alright... well so far as I can tell you can either draw the drawing on graph paper and scan it, make a gridded background using a layer feature and color in the blocks, or use paint... I'd say use paint because I know paint must be a lot easier than those other steps. The other steps have a lot of clean up work and the processes are overly complicated for such a simple task.

I don't know much about Paint so Shadow why don't you tell us how you made yours? I remember you made some really, really good ones before.

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:48 pm

shadowhaz wrote:try using paint

I did use paint.

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:50 pm

Cwitt wrote:
shadowhaz wrote:try using paint
I did use paint.

have you tried using the ereaser tool I found it handier than the pecil tool but i used the pencil tool to do small tweaks and for erasing

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:53 pm

No, I haven't. I'll keep that in mind

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:57 pm

shadowhaz wrote:
Cwitt wrote:
shadowhaz wrote:try using paint
I did use paint.
have you tried using the ereaser tool I found it handier than the pecil tool but i used the pencil tool to do small tweaks and for erasing

I just tried that method and it works amazingly well! I may have to make some 8-bit art now too. x3

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:59 pm

I just realised I don't completly understand what you mean by using the eraser. Could you elaborate?

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:01 pm

right click the black color while having the eraser slected and everytime you clixk it will make a pixel and use the pencil tool set to white to edit and correct mispalced pixels *Its the best method Ive tried its a real time saver*

Cwitt · Post by **Cwitt** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:01 pm

shadowhaz wrote:right click the black color while having the eraser slected and everytime you clixk it will make a pixel and use the pencil tool set to white to edit and correct mispalced pixels *Its the best method Ive tried its a real time saver*

Ok. Thanks.

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:06 pm

Ill try to make a visual tutorial this weekend to help out futher

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:08 pm

shadowhaz wrote:right click the black color while having the eraser slected and everytime you clixk it will make a pixel and use the pencil tool set to white to edit and correct mispalced pixels *Its the best method Ive tried its a real time saver*

On mine, which I'm not sure if their the same version, mine may be more current for Windows 7, but you can pick color 2 as what color you want the eraser to be instead of white. But if it doesn't have that option then you could go back and color them in with the fill bucket after you have the drawing laid out.

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:12 pm

I have vista on mine with a basic version of paint

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:21 pm

shadowhaz wrote:I have vista on mine with a basic version of paint

I'll play the role of a salesman! Go download GIMP if you want something as fantastic as Photoshop for half, no wait, zero the price of Photoshop! That's right folks! It's absolutely free! And it also has more gadgets to toy with than a swiss army knife! And if that wasn't enough it's used equally among professionals.

But in all seriousness if you want to download it, feel free to. It's free and it's got the capability of Photoshop.

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:26 pm

I fail at gimp D: I prefer paint tool sai

ResTheRabbit · Post by **ResTheRabbit** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:45 pm

shadowhaz wrote:I fail at gimp D: I prefer paint tool sai

I'm going to be making digital painting tutorials for Leo tomorrow so I'll be sure to be thorough enough to help you out to.

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:54 pm

ok Im sure that will help

Vespier Leo · Post by **Vespier Leo** » Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:15 am

Thank you Box! That is very Kind of you!