RandomGeek's Chat Thread Featuring Sleet and Pea: Episode 29

Ebly · Post by **Ebly** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:37 am

CaptainPea wrote:I'm fully aware that c covers no unique phoneme. One could also, by that logic, dispense of G,U,W,Q, and probably some other letters too. It would cause one or two problems with spelling, though, and I think some people might be a smidge resistant.

That makes me extremely curious! How could we get rid of those? Especially U, we have way less written vowels than we have spoken vowels as it is.

CaptainPea · Post by **CaptainPea** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:57 am

Scratch U, I was thinking of just a long o sound.
But a W word like "word" could be respelled as ooerd. It looks silly and the pronunciation is unclear, but it still sort of makes sense.
And Q is just w with a k at the front of it. So quiz becomes kooiz.

I think everyone would love it, it's so easy.

Post by **Obbl** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:52 pm

Actually 'w' is considered a separate phoneme from 'oo'
It is a glide, not a vowel

Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:24 pm

Ebly wrote:there is no difference between the sounds we use, even though the shapes are often dramatically different.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SOUNDS WE USE, EVEN THOUGH THE SHAPES ARE OFTEN DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.

Ebly wrote:Being a lampshade for proper nouns is the only place where the differentiation between capital and lower-case letters has any use!

we've now found another use for the difference, because I imagined you yelling that the second time.

Psykeout wrote:Jupiter (Zeus) is the largest, and king of the gods, for example.[/size]

and Mercury has the shortest orbital period, so it was named after the fastest god.

and I've always agreed that c is pretty much useless, but then how would we spell chat?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:58 pm

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:and Mercury has the shortest orbital period, so it was named after the fastest god.

I'm glad not only i know that. c:

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:and I've always agreed that c is pretty much useless, but then how would we spell chat?

H is a useless letter; It's the sound of you breathing, which is something you have to do to talk. We would get rid of the H, and then H would make the "CH" sound.

Ebly · Post by **Ebly** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:11 pm

CaptainPea wrote:Scratch U, I was thinking of just a long o sound.
But a W word like "word" could be respelled as ooerd. It looks silly and the pronunciation is unclear, but it still sort of makes sense.
And Q is just w with a k at the front of it. So quiz becomes kooiz.

I think everyone would love it, it's so easy.

Aha! Then I can challenge that, because there are indeed fundamental differences in pronunciation!

'w' is a voiced labiovelar approximant - extending what that means, 'voiced' means that the vocal cords are vibrating during production of the sound. Being labiovelar, or lablialised velar, it is formed with the back of the tongue pulled up towards the soft tissue at the back of the mouth while the lips are pulled together. Being an 'approximant' means that the airflow is narrowed through the place of articulation, but not impeded enough to form a turbulent stream of air (that is to say, very basically, the gap is not as small as it is for making the sound 's' or 'f').

further alienating the replacement form from the original, the english language has a lot of instances of the very interesting phenomenon of the:
glottal stop

take any word that begins with a vowel. in fact, let's take 'any'. though we do not write it, there is in fact a consonant before the a (in terms of how we usually pronounce the word). think about it. there is usually a stop, a point where there is no air flowing in or out of your throat, just before a puff of breath and the vowel starts. that is a consonant.

to use your example of 'word', as it stands, the approximant leads into the vowel. with 'ooerd' (lookin' a bit like dutch there mate), however, it starts out with an entirely different consonant and warps into a crazy triphthong!

i agree with q being 'a k with a w' because well... it is. q is a labialised k, and generally in english you can imitate lablialisation of a consonant by imagining a w after it. Of course, 'kooiz' would remove that labialisation which would change the sound from being the rounded 'q' to a harsh 'k'. those are (hopefully obviously) not technical terms, i just think 'k' sounds kinda harsh most of the time...

i'm still totally confused about G, though!

this post took so long because i am lazy and kept doing other things

Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:16 pm

Psykeout wrote:I'm glad not only i know that. c:

this is the avatar that showed up when I read this.

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fitting. kind of.

Psykeout wrote:H is a useless letter; It's the sound of you breathing, which is something you have to do to talk. We would get rid of the H, and then H would make the "CH" sound.

H is not useless. it changes the pronunciation. except for at the beginning of some foreign words. and with certain British accents.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:21 pm

H is not useless. it changes the pronunciation. except for at the beginning of some foreign words. and with certain British accents.[/quote]
Barely.

But i take it back, yeah we need h.

Post by **Sleet** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:39 pm

Comments about past subjects:

1.) I practice language jazz. Know the rules but don't be afraid to break them. But don't break them for the point of breaking them, or you'll sound like an idiot.
2.) I support "Sol" and "Luna" for the sun and moon. Or perhaps "Celestia" for the sun.

3.) Mercury.

Psykeout wrote:She's way to touchy about that, isn't she?

*twitches*

*abuses moderator power to edit your post*

Ebly wrote:
Psykeout wrote:She's way to touchy about that, isn't she?
She is, but I find it funny how he reacts worse when you imply he's male than if you imply she's female.

When people use just one, it makes other people assume I'm that gender if they don't know me well enough. It's a lot easier to shake the assumption that I'm a vixen than that I'm a tod on the internet.

Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:55 pm

I still like to think you're a vixen. but I never restrict my pronoun options accordingly.

Blue Braixen · Post by **Blue Braixen** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:51 pm

I enjoy mercury-infused hats. >:3

Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:03 pm

Tha Housefox wrote:I enjoy mercury-infused hats. >:3

like this?

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Post by **Sleet** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:35 pm

Also, the only useless letters in English are X, Q and C. Others can be removed, but they would require a lot more rearrangement. C would just have to be replaced with K or S (and "ch" would be reassigned to "kh" or something), Q would have to be KW or K, and X would have to be KS or Z.

kurowolfe · Post by **kurowolfe** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:15 pm

I think C is still quite important, especially in the case of CH.
I mean, I can't imagine writing and pronouncing 'kheat', 'khat' or even 'kheese'. XD

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:33 pm

kurowolfe wrote:kheese

I think C is nesessary for purely aesthetik reasons. S is already the most kommon konsonant, imagine how overrun our language would be with s's if we altered all the spellings.

yehoshua · Post by **yehoshua** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:46 pm

I like the letter C.

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:49 pm

stuff would just be weird without the letter C

Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:50 pm

yeah. it would be krazy.

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:55 pm

kuite honestly, I'd feel a LITTLE weird without the letter q.

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:56 pm

keverything kwould kgo kpsykotik

KalloonWhite · Post by **KalloonWhite** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:10 pm

<-----
What's this I'm hearing about K's?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:13 pm

sonic id furreh!!! wrote:keverything kwould kgo kpsykotik

I
do you
are you trying to
what

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:34 pm

Psykeout wrote:
sonic id furreh!!! wrote:keverything kwould kgo kpsykotik
I
do you
are you trying to
what

:3................?

Dylan · Post by **Dylan** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:04 pm

A life without c is a life without cake...

Coatl_Ruu · Post by **Coatl_Ruu** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:06 pm

Sonic, I think you broke Psyke.

Also, umm... yay linguistics?

Dylan wrote:A life without c is a life without cake...

No, a life without c is a life with kake. :3

yehoshua · Post by **yehoshua** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:11 pm

A life without C is a life without icecream.

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:14 pm

Coatl_Ruu wrote:Sonic, I think you broke Psyke.

yayz! i win! X3

Post by **Dissension** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:26 pm

I propose ditching the letter 'k.'

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:30 pm

Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'

o.o............ ocay

Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:35 pm

Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'

yes. K and S. can be replaced by C and Z, zo we can get rid of them.

even the sh sound can be achieved by ch.

KalloonWhite · Post by **KalloonWhite** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:38 pm

Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'

NUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!

Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:40 pm

KalloonWhite wrote:
Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'
NUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!

oh calm down Calloon.

sonic id furreh!!! · Post by **sonic id furreh!!!** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:41 pm

RandomGeekNamedBrent wrote:
KalloonWhite wrote:
Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'
NUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!
oh calm down Calloon.

yeah, Cal. no reason to freak out >.>

shadowhaz · Post by **shadowhaz** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:44 pm

why not calloony?

Psykeout · Post by **Psykeout** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:52 pm

pzyceout

My name looks like something you take for a cold.

yehoshua · Post by **yehoshua** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:06 pm

I will suppose that that was the objective.

Alex M. · Post by **Alex M.** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:08 pm

Dissension wrote:I propose ditching the letter 'k.'

Micel? NO thanks.

Post by **Dissension** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:21 pm

It worked for Cicero.

KalloonWhite · Post by **KalloonWhite** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:22 pm

I hate C because he steals K's thunder!

yehoshua · Post by **yehoshua** » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:24 pm

I hate all your letters because they steal Y's thunder.