That's true whether he'd been "changed against the natural order". Pete's got a grudge against him, but he'd have just as much of a grudge against him if he was a regular HP! dog who was stubborn about being an Avatar.

If Pete turns him back, it's because he's a jerk, and turning him back is not in any sense benevolent. He's not simply warning King about the consequences of his surrender.

Um, fox yokai (commonly if a little inaccurately referred to as kitsune in English) are not "RL".

So are you saying that to be benevolent he should wait until King dies to continue the duel? Since demi-gods experience time subjectively, I suppose he shouldn't mind, but again, as he said, his only way to win is with King, so he have no choice than make King suffer. However, he could be considered benevolent if after the duel he grants to King a huge reward for passing so much pain.



Yeah, but you said "Meanwhile, in Japan, they're still wondering why it's a big deal..." after the comment of RioluNation "Humans and dogs are equals. We treat dogs kindly, they treat us kindly back.". Then you was implicitly talking about RL.

http://www.housepetscomic.com/2011/09/1 ... -employee/

If Tanuki are japaneese citizens, it stands to reason Kitsune would be as well. Which means those "mythical" marrages would be perfectly legal in the country they took place in.

Oh, now I think I get the point.

You know, I KNEW there was a reason I disliked that griffin. He needs to leave King alone.

This can't happen again. Oh, please.

I was waiting for this to happen.

I don't get why people would want this arc to end - Pete is fun, and let's face it, King is one of the best characters in the comic (possibly THE best character in the comic). Ending the arc takes something rather big away from him. I LIKE Pete manipulating things. I don't want it to be all Pete, all the time, but it is FUN having him show up and set things on fire every once in a while.

I guessed this would happen though, as did a fair number of people - Pete has King between a rock and a hard place here.

1). I don't recall saying you were lying about anything.
2). Your wording made it sound like you were one of those guys who thinks humans are awesome and any thing else is less important than a piece of dirt.
3). I can't think of ANY reason (short of somebody from the future showing them bino which made them treat cats and dogs like this) for them to be treated like this if they have been like this for a long time. It's one of the things that can spawn long thread-derailing arguments like the one we're having right now.
4). WHY THE FUDGE DO YOU CHANGE YOUR AVATAR SO OFTEN!?!?!?!?!?!

You're still assuming he's telling the truth.

The speaker implies. The listener infers. You inferred that I was commenting on a specific post ... even though I didn't quote that post ... rather than on the thread. I didn't imply anything.

Guys, seriously, drop it.

I keep thinking that yet I keep doing it myself. It's interesting when you realize that no matter how much you hate it when other people won't stop arguing about what the like, eventually you'll be doing the exact same thing. But what do I know. I just a thirteen year old with a transformers obsession.

I think it falls on King's choice here. If I recall correctly, his soul is in complete limbo since this all started for him, and it was suppose to stay that way till he chooses for himself if he's a human or a dog. I mean, wasn't that the issue for him for a short time after the incident with heaven.

Come on King, remember what Kitsune said

http://www.housepetscomic.com/2010/07/14/never-believe-its-not-so/

The reward that is "coming soon" was obviously Bailey, so then there are other rewards if you continue to play the game. That, and you're much better as a dog, so as much as it stinks: GO WITH PETE!

1) I know, but you was accusing me as if I was inventing something.
2)Listen guys, I'm neutral about everything, and I was just saying how the things are, not if I was for or against. I understand your points of views, and I don't have anything against it, but if you don't want to accept reality is your problem.
3) ??? Treated like what? They're treated like pets, not as slaves, they are not being tortured (though of course, that depends of the owner, but since this is also applicable to humans, it doesn't have sense to discuss it).
4) It's automatic. And why? because it's cool and I like it.



I'm not assuming anything, that's why I asked you. However, I really doubt he could be lying, but it's most likely he's hiding part of the truth.



I said before that I get it now. Draj was kind enough to explain me your point. Why you want to argue about everything? even when I was trying to soften the conversation...



I quote myself to answer you:





And... I quote myself again:

The chances of anyone reading this if I don't post A) first or B) with a response to someone else are low. At the same time, I've little desire to get caught up in a debate with anyone in specific, save perhaps with Rick which we all know is under the category of Not Going to Happen.
So. To get this off my back, here it is:
1. This Was Going to Happen
King, as a main character, slides nicely into the Butt Monkey slot. Anything interesting that happens to him is usually negative for him, Bailey being the one (possible) exception. As such, anything good happening to our diminutive hero is, unfortunately, foreshadowing of something just as bad happening to him.
2. What Happens Next Seems Obvious
This story, or perhaps this similar framework, is something I have read before. Sadly, in fact, because unless Rick goes for the incredibly daring twist which would provide at least in my opinion a far, far better fit for the character, King is going to accept the deal. No ifs ands or buts about it, that is the path well trodden - don't get me wrong, it's a well respected path and a good one. But it's also one that doesn't agree with the character, and one that simply continues the drama and does not escalate it.

To elaborate, King as a character has displayed enormous depths, and this, perhaps, is what makes people like him so much. But if he turns down the deal, the current arc will have written itself into a corner. Avoiding the corner, i.e. King saying yes, would be proper writing, as it avoids plot-holes and (arguably) makes sense. But taking the corner and breaking the arc is, at least from my perspective, better writing. It takes a look at the expected, the mediocre, and the beaten path and decides to reject them and fly off the rails. But that's some nameless nobody's two cents. I'm sure Rick will deliver a satisfying story as he does every time, and hope it's one he's thought long and hard about. But then, it's only my opinion, and I'm looking forward to this revelation either way.

Rhymes with surrender..... Hmmmmm......... I got nuthin'.

yah I know right ! Can't think of anything either , and in context wouldn't "surrender" be the right word too ?

I joined the forum today specifically so I could tell you this poem is awesome.

Pete just loves towering over the little guy...

Those are great Pete expressions.... soon Diss will begin using them.

Well, this was expected. I wonder if Bailey will be allowed in on the decision making process... it is their wedding after all.... and is the Welshman coming back? You know, Pete's disguise...

I doubt that the Welshman disguise is coming back. Dragon doesn't use one with Tarot she just seems to be able to possess her at times.

Honestly, not sure if it would be allowed under the rules of their game, but I did expect the Welshman disguise to run in and shout "I OBJECT!" and King would beg for the sanctuary he asked for from Keene from when he was first included in Keene's program at the end of the Dog Days of Summer arc

Doesn't Pete have too long ears for a cat?
And now I wonder if the "I" in the name of the arc was about Pete and not of Bailey.

Ok, i only read the first page, but i hafta say, if you thro the 'fate watch' into this, youll remember that king actually can choose to stay king

When he was told it was a piece of his fate, he was also told that when he decided to either stay a dog or return to being a human, they could retrieve it.

Although now that im typing it, im thinking that his choice now technicaly counts as picking a path :/

Hmmmm....



Also, hi ^^ im new .3.




Tarror is her avatar though, thus she can possess her. Pete cant possess king. Yet .3.

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Hi Purrfect, and welcome to the forum.

To answer you, I re-quote myself (again):





It's not possession, it's a rule of the game that avatar and master have to share the same body. If King accept to be Pete's avatar, then they'll have to share King's body.

Well, i do not see how the ends anything... Again, i think rick is going to kill off king; which would suck big time. That or if king accepts, ends in a 'immediate' Deathmatch ageist tarot. On the night of the wedding even! If this does not show pete as a truly evil and malicious character, nothing will.

Nerd my tail, he's from heck itself.

Ah. But as far as the possesing, that more or less what i was getting at. The reason behind the welshman XD

Since he's a griffin that means he IS half feline, and since eagles didn't have ears...

I would think that's just in his position as their pawn, and IF he lets them. Right now I'm thinking he's pretty much accepted his position, despite the fact he still thinks like a human, thus technically accepting, and now consenting to, his form as a dog. If my assumption is true, then changing him back against his will, even if it is back to his original species/form, would actually be against the rules since I believe Pete was actually dinged a while back for doing that to him in the first place. He'd have to re-accept being human to be changed back, even by Kitsune or Dragon.

Like I said though, that's just where my brain is right now. Either way, I'll just wait and see what happens, and maybe wait for a miracle. Maybe from Dragon, seeing I'm sure she has more than enough mana to do something.

Read the third panel of this strip.
His choice can be overridden if they consider it the best option, even if it goes against his will. Pete wasn't punished for turn him in a dog, but because he tricked him and forbid him to say his own name.

Technicaly he overpowered his mind before asking :0 he locked his old name up and prevented him from saying it :0

So pete is still technically in the wrong .3.

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I suppose you're being sarcastic, because I foresaw this since the end of "the trial in heaven" arc.[/quote]


Actually I just did not expect this to be cannon. And also I said 'prepare for unforeseen consequences' in the previous strip but i could not wait weeks to see reactions, so i had to say something right now. The really unforeseen consequences are coming when Pete obtains King as an avatar and wins the game. After all, It was Tarot who predicted Pete's freedom as the begining of the end.

Tarot was talking about the beginning of the end of the Nerds game. There isn't any grand consequence here, its just two Nerds fighting over a game of what is basically D&D by playing another game of D&D. The only really big consequence that could have been a problem would have been Pete forcing equality; and Keene put an end to that in Temple Crashers, so that doesn't matter anymore.

"Ayup!"

And ... what if King accepts the deal ?

Im just saying, there is always the possibility ...

King: "I challenge Tarot to an all or nothing battle... of arm wrestling!"
Pete: "But... you're a corgi, how could you possibly win?"
King: "Why didn't you think of that before you made me one?"

alternately
King: "She's a Pomeranian"

1) just checking
2) I know you were just sounding arrogant about our spieces
3) that's what I'm talking about. They are every bit as smart and independent as humans but they are still treated as lesser. Granted given humanity's ego I can't imagine that we'd every treat another spieces as equal but the point still stands
4) that is cool. If I every get tired of my avatar I might try that.

Thank you very much. It's always good to be appreciated. Now... Join in the madness?